Alls Fair in Love and War.
So our little bit of fun is into its third/fourth week now , and i have to say i am enjoying having some with you guys - i hope at least we are providing you with some entertainment.
However i have noticed a recent trend - that i feel you should take into consideration. Id possibly like to see some action beign taken
I completely understand that M34N corp and the wider M34N Coalition are -10 pirate standings to EM and have no problem with that.
What i do have great issue with is the apparent inability of EM pilots to keep to the traditions/standards that you portray to uphold.
Below are just a few short interactions that one EM pilot has had recently with members of my corp. If you really are interested in upkeeping the values you claim too - maybe convo me in game and ill rustle up some of the other examples the guys have encountered
[19:37:40] Zorn Aldridge > [19:23:28] Morar Santee > Doesn't matter, I shouldn't have engaged in conversation with you in the first place. Goes to show I'm mildly ticked, but that doesn't make talking to idiots any more productive.
(idiots - isnt that just a little abusive)???
[19:39:12] Zorn Aldridge > [19:12:18] Morar Santee > Oh, you are right - left M34N.. guess you couldn't handle the heat anymore?
(Is this individual completely oblivious to the fact that the corp we are in is primarily in existence to have some high sec fun with you guys??)
[19:39:33] Zorn Aldridge > [19:16:19] Morar Santee > I would say sucks if you have to steep so low to get kills, but then you were M34N.
Kind of sad to discredit a corp you have fought for a number of years - who have far fewer in its number and you as an anti pirate organistaion and upholders of minmatat space have failed to remove from just a few jumps away.
I hope you will seek to address this indiscretion - i completely understand that you offer individuals in your organisation a second chance. Lastly im wondering if you would extend your second chance policy to tired old pirates who might like to try some roleplay themselves?
When im bored of my current duties
Yours in combat
Darthimus
I would like to point out the fairly obvious rather quickly. Morar is not a GRD pilot. If you wish an individual pilot be reprimanded, it would be better to contact their CEO specificly.
Well , as a council member i assume elsebeth will pass it on to those who should respond too it
While not in any leadership position or speaking in any official capacity, I wonder what 'standards' you take issue with?
You declared war on us. Why should we be all nice and pleasant with you in comms? Should we hug and kiss next? It is war, and nothing else. You want friendly conversation with our people then feel free to drop the war, join us on mining ops and anti-pirate patrols and do something that earns you a little blue plus sign on our overviews.
Until then, you are an enemy, no matter what your motivation.
((I hate talking OOC in posts like this but I guess you need to realise that EM members speak purely in character as much as we can. I doubt Morar's conversation was any different so don't take such comments or my own above to heart. We speak as our characters would speak, and our characters are at war with yours. If someone's character would tell you to go f### yourself then they will do that, but I am sure the player is having fun behind the mask of roleplay. But RP does not mean we always speak cordial and dignified either.
))
"While not in any leadership position or speaking in any official capacity"
Without being rude - you could have ended your post there- i posted this for an answer not for a debate.
(( As this is the Diplomacy channel, I don't really have any reason to post here IC.
This conversation was not IC, either, which would be a lot more obvious if the logs had not been so heavily altered. That makes it a completely different issue, as talking OOC in local isn't really all that good an idea for a roleplayer, who is part of a RP alliance.
That said, I'm more than a bit tired of people trying to hold me or the rest of E-M to standards they don't adhere to themselves.
I don't like metagaming, and I don't like people gloating in local because they managed to gank a PvE ship for no other reason than that I could not be arsed to do proper security, despite seeing the alt-scout outside of my mission station, then 155 off the gate back to my agent system.
Stupid? Yes. Annoyed with myself? Yes. Reason for you to gloat? Shit no.
If anyone cares for the complete logs of the scene, here they are:
[ 2010.07.14 19:06:24 ] The SoulCrusher > guess we are even now for when you killed me =)
[ 2010.07.14 19:09:38 ] Morar Santee > Guess I needed less alt-scouts, and it wasn't a PvE ship..
[ 2010.07.14 19:09:46 ] Morar Santee > But yeah, have fun and stuffs.
[ 2010.07.14 19:11:31 ] The SoulCrusher > well u remember u killed me when I was just passing thru a system in low sec so
[ 2010.07.14 19:11:44 ] Morar Santee > Sweet pirate tears?
[ 2010.07.14 19:11:49 ] The SoulCrusher > i ain't pirate
[ 2010.07.14 19:11:58 ] The SoulCrusher > U pirated me chief
[ 2010.07.14 19:12:03 ] The SoulCrusher > thus the Kill rights
[ 2010.07.14 19:12:20 ] Morar Santee > Oh, you are right - left M34N.. guess you couldn't handle the heat anymore?
[ 2010.07.14 19:13:06 ] The SoulCrusher > just because i was in m34n doesn't mean i was pirate
[ 2010.07.14 19:14:01 ] The SoulCrusher > i tend to think of pirates as .... flashy's and , who like you , attack unprovoked
[ 2010.07.14 19:14:37 ] The SoulCrusher > but ti's nice
[ 2010.07.14 19:14:44 ] The SoulCrusher > i have 6 more kill rights i hope to collect on
[ 2010.07.14 19:14:45 ] The SoulCrusher > so
[ 2010.07.14 19:14:50 ] The SoulCrusher > \0/
[ 2010.07.14 19:15:19 ] Morar Santee > Go you, I guess?
[ 2010.07.14 19:15:26 ] The SoulCrusher > yeah
[ 2010.07.14 19:15:29 ] The SoulCrusher > feels good lols
[ 2010.07.14 19:15:41 ] Morar Santee > I figured.
[ 2010.07.14 19:15:43 ] The SoulCrusher > but rest easy your name is scratched off the list
[ 2010.07.14 19:15:55 ] Morar Santee > If I could be arsed, I wouldn't have jumped back..
[ 2010.07.14 19:16:03 ] Morar Santee > I saw your 1 day old alt scout miles off.
[ 2010.07.14 19:16:21 ] Morar Santee > I would say sucks if you have to steep so low to get kills, but then you were M34N.
[ 2010.07.14 19:16:34 ] Morar Santee > Guess it's alright.
[ 2010.07.14 19:17:02 ] The SoulCrusher > steep so low lols
[ 2010.07.14 19:17:17 ] The SoulCrusher > yoru the one ganked me with like 8 guys remember
[ 2010.07.14 19:17:36 ] The SoulCrusher > so soory if i use noob alt and had called in a WT of yours for help
[ 2010.07.14 19:17:49 ] The SoulCrusher > but 2 v 1 more honrable then 8 v 1
[ 2010.07.14 19:18:37 ] Morar Santee > Yeah, with how many of your buddies next system, too scared to help?
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:01 ] The SoulCrusher > was only 1 hehlped
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:02 ] Morar Santee > Really sorry I started discussing with you, it was a mistake.. you're typical M34N material.
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:06 ] The SoulCrusher > other didn't make it
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:09 ] Morar Santee > I'd suggest joining them again, actually.
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:12 ] The SoulCrusher > bu still
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:16 ] The SoulCrusher > lols you talking about numbers
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:18 ] The SoulCrusher > 3 v 1
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:30 ] The SoulCrusher > still better odds then 8 v 1 lols
[ 2010.07.14 19:19:46 ] Morar Santee > I was talking about when we shot your ship down, actually.
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:01 ] Morar Santee > You had us outnumbered, your friends were just too afraid to leave docking range, as usual.
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:07 ] The SoulCrusher > and from what I hear you guys won't fight Deathstar and Zorn and them without at least 5 to 1 numbers and ECM out the wazoo
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:10 ] The SoulCrusher > so idk
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:30 ] profevil > (Dr Phil) You have to stop this behaviour. [After the break, "Soccer moms gone bad"]
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:31 ] Morar Santee > That's of course not typical M34N shittalk at al.
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:39 ] profevil > ;-)
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:41 ] The SoulCrusher > when you shot me down I was actually ferrying my stuff to EMOL to leave corp lols
[ 2010.07.14 19:20:48 ] The SoulCrusher > geddon was first trip
[ 2010.07.14 19:21:13 ] The SoulCrusher > no one was ready to hlep but ..after I died ...they got active and you guys bailed to emol scared remember
[ 2010.07.14 19:21:21 ] The SoulCrusher > gues even nubmers isn't something you wanna deal with
[ 2010.07.14 19:22:35 ] Morar Santee > Counting really isn't your fortee, is it?
[ 2010.07.14 19:23:31 ] Morar Santee > Doesn't matter, I shouldn't have engaged in conversation with you in the first place. Goes to show I'm mildly ticked, but that doesn't make talking to idiots any more productive.
[ 2010.07.14 19:23:35 ] The SoulCrusher > i was there remember
Is that a display of communicating in a friendly manner? No, it isn't. Does M34N, as a rule, communicate in a friendly or factual manner? Oh, right.
Yes, E-M does apply higher standards and yes, sometimes I'm losing my temper when confronted with idiocy. And while that can reflect badly on E-M, it's also rather clear that your main concern isn't E-M's image, but to create an internal incident. And I'm tired of that, too.
It might've been half-way funny if you'd at least tried to do this IC - but as it is, it's simply a badly veiled attempt at creating unrest. ))
I would like to remind our pilots that this is the diplomacy forums, and that only diplomats will reply here. I would delete those posts, but the pilot who contacted us has already replied to them, so they'll remain for reference.
Your friendly moderator.
(( This also applies OOCly. ))
I posted what i was linked- and bar omitting some other useless conversation i wasnt privvy to, the wording of the text isnt altered - i am not the pilot you were conversing with - as for images- you do that yourself sir- see i am comfortable in how i play the game i dont call people that kill me idiots - ask the moderator - he killed me recently but he knows ill be up for evening the score soon
"Really sorry I started discussing with you, it was a mistake.. you're typical M34N material."
Please expand on this - the individual you were conversng with obviously missed that one
Thank you for the report. Internal disciplinary actions will be taken as necessary. I am afraid we do not justify our actions to someone who takes up a war against us, let alone do so in public.
For future reference, Electus Matari main diplomat is Arthur Black. Complaints about individual pilots can also be directed to their CEOs.
Pilots are reminded that this is the Diplomacy forum. Please continue discussion internally if you so wish.
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