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Shortly: yes.

My corp is/will be a combat one by nature so I doubt there will be any "manufacturing base that's complimentary to what we already have". But I am self-sufficient and I think that covers it.

I am a combat pilot.

I do not loose my temper when fight. I do recpect the chain of command and all what's go along with that.

I would do nothing what would put the alliance in the compromiting position.
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I was also told there're NO forced ops in the alliance.

I answered out of politeness as this is like the first post as I kinda expected them to be. But now I guess it's too late.

Being hostile towards us because we have a rule of thumb about recruiting that you do not fit is not helping your case, I am afraid.

There are no forced ops in the alliance.

(2010-04-23 18:02)Elsebeth Rhiannon Wrote: [ -> ]Being hostile towards us because we have a rule of thumb about recruiting that you do not fit is not helping your case, I am afraid.

I was not hostile. I said I respect your rules. I was more dissapointed (you having such a rule and because I was told otherwise in my enquiry contacts) than anything else. And I was also dissapointed over the unwillingness from your (alliance) side to answer on any of my questions and make things more clear and transparent (to me). Only throwing some floscule which don't explain anything, quite uncontrary, about some administrative issues with such corps, and then to sink into the silence (not answering on the questions), can't be on the honor to anyone.

So, if I would like to join this alliance it would be normal and desirable me (also) to know some things then, for instance how many members (by number if possible) is by those rules of yours sufficient for a corp to fit into those rules ? I would appreciate if you would please answer on this question.

(2010-04-23 20:39)Taizu Lilith Wrote: [ -> ]There are no forced ops in the alliance.

So I was told. But I kinda needed to check if this is true or it is also some 'false' information.

Quote:So, if I would like to join this alliance it would be normal and desirable me (also) to know some things then, for instance how many members (by number if possible) is by those rules of yours sufficient for a corp to fit into those rules ? I would appreciate if you would please answer on this question.

There is no hard-and-fast rule on numbers, but 8-12 is probably somewhere close to the lower limit in most cases. What is more important is a sort of impression of the "spirit" of the corporation; whether there is a group of people actively working together, having something that will sustain them as a collective. If there is something in the corporation that makes them them. If they have demonstrated they can stick together for a period of time and work for a common goal.

Ai yaa...

Bicker, bicker. Back and forth.

I humbly ask that all forgive my interruption. I came to Electus Matari as a member of one of those rare one- or two-people corporations. The two of us flew with EM for less than a month before we, ourselves, realized it was more efficient for all that RSMI merge with one of the larger corporations - within a day of that decision, we became part of RTI. It is a choice I have never regretted. In truth, it is a choice that I see as the best I have made since the one to test for the wetgrave. We have the toothbrush and cake; RSMI had many good things but no toothbrush and cake.

Pilot Manaan, have you not thought of simply applying to a member corporation for employment or a merger? If you are accepted, you could dissolve, merge, or place your own corporation in holding [[as in just making an alt to take over CEO-ship of AE]] as the terms of any negotiations decide?

Never tended to reply on this but this alliance is just a disgrace of any RP standards; it's no better by any case from any other alliances.

We had a discussion on a public alliance chan and in lack of any arguments from the other side I was blocked. I didn't used any insults or any other such languague. That's saying all about it and it's pathetic to say at least.

If this is a RP-ing then is no different and no batter from any other alliance shit and certainly I don't want to ba part of it. Uncontrary, I will do anything to destroy it.

- Gorn Manaan

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Channel ID: 2114572164

Channel Name: Public - EM

Listener: Arthur Black

Session started: 112.04.30 23:37:56

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[ 112.04.30 23:37:59 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Electus Matari - Public Channel (In Character)No-one here? Drop by our forums at http://www.electusmatari.com or chat to folks here and drop by anyway afterwards :)Please use http://www.electusmatari.com/standings/ as a link to our current standings; the old link will not be updated.Diplomatic contacts: Arthur Black, Elsebeth Rhiannon, Carinelle Avriette (or use the forums).

[ 112.04.30 23:53:44 ] Li'ao Khaoth > Do we have any connections or established rlations with the [name removed]?

[ 112.04.30 23:55:43 ] Arthur Black > I can not find such a corporation, so no.

[ 112.04.30 23:56:51 ] Li'ao Khaoth > [name removed] These are the people to contact to join their corporation, Mr. Black. Through their personnel files you can get to the corporation

[ 112.04.30 23:57:32 ] Li'ao Khaoth > information page, and from there you can determine for yourself if they would be worthy allies or just friends or neither based on the EM policies...I merely saw one of them, took a look, thought perhaps they could joing EM if they were worthy

[ 112.04.30 23:59:47 ] Arthur Black > Thanks for the information.

[ 112.05.01 00:00:28 ] * Li'ao Khaoth smiles and nods* Anything for the cause..

[ 112.05.01 00:10:55 ] Gorn Manaan > i hope you will check one by one of them, that would be the only thing right to do

[ 112.05.01 00:13:20 ] Arthur Black > Check who?

[ 112.05.01 00:13:51 ] Gorn Manaan > all corp member of that corp

[ 112.05.01 00:14:02 ] Gorn Manaan > one by one

[ 112.05.01 00:14:51 ] Arthur Black > Why would I need to do that? I'm merely going to introduce ourselves.

[ 112.05.01 00:15:47 ] Li'ao Khaoth > Not that I know any better, Captain Manaan, but I was merely recommending the corporation I spotted to an authorized diplomat. I am sure there are ample security precautions and procedures that must be adhered to prior to a corporation being allowed

[ 112.05.01 00:15:50 ] Li'ao Khaoth > into the Alliance

[ 112.05.01 00:16:11 ] Gorn Manaan > well, if they want to be part of this alliance they ALL need to a RP chars isn't that brignt ?

[ 112.05.01 00:16:16 ] Gorn Manaan > right *

[ 112.05.01 00:17:00 ] Li'ao Khaoth > Mr. Black I defer to your judgement, I'm barely a capable pilot and would probably make a muhc worse diplomat or liaison *he offered a polite smile before returning to his previous intentions*

[ 112.05.01 00:17:20 ] Gorn Manaan > so you need to cjheck them ALL

[ 112.05.01 00:18:17 ] Arthur Black > Mm... We're just going to say "hello". They have not applied to join and we're not in the habit of asking corporations to join. They were just spotted in a system somewhere. That's hardly cause for a close inspection of all members.

[ 112.05.01 00:21:39 ] Arthur Black > And I tend to trust other organization's diplomats to speak on their behalf. Besides, I am not handling applications. That's done by their representatives and our council. I can show them where to apply if need be though.

[ 112.05.01 00:23:51 ] Gorn Manaan > still, i'm expecting, if they will became the candidates for the alliance, all members to be thouroughly cheched one by one, that would made equality amoung so called 'big' and 'small' corps

[ 112.05.01 00:25:25 ] Arthur Black > We're not in the habit of checking each individual member of a new corporation, no.

[ 112.05.01 00:25:27 ] Gorn Manaan > or, you're making the differences in this and in such cases and you're ignoring the RP part or feature ir whatever you want to call it in such cases

[ 112.05.01 00:26:52 ] Gorn Manaan > well that a shame and it's saying alot and enough of your 'rules'

[ 112.05.01 00:26:57 ] Maelcom Grey > I'm not really a part of this so feel free to tell me to sod off, but it seems to me that a general interview with the leadership of a corporation is the right method, and then that leadership is held accountable for the actions and attitudes of any

[ 112.05.01 00:27:02 ] Johan Marberg > My what an impressive chip you have on that shoulder.

[ 112.05.01 00:27:02 ] Gorn Manaan > which are a fake

[ 112.05.01 00:27:11 ] Maelcom Grey > members of their corp. Member by member examination would be, in any scenario, a nightmare.

[ 112.05.01 00:27:56 ] Arthur Black > (( Gorn: Channel MOTD: In Character. However, I'm not following where you are going with this. Do you want to have a chat about it? ))

[ 112.05.01 00:31:29 ] Gorn Manaan > ((yes. and i would like to have it in here, with brackets if needed. other to see what's all about ))

[ 112.05.01 00:32:08 ] Gorn Manaan > (( there's nothing to hide isn't it ))

[ 112.05.01 00:32:24 ] Arthur Black > (( Sure. What's up? What "rules" are you refering to? And why do we need to talk to all members of potential new corporations we take onboard? ))

[ 112.05.01 00:35:42 ] Gorn Manaan > (( See it this way; why you are descriminating towards the one man corp an then on the other hand if you don't check all members from the corp candidates if they're ALL RP chars ))

[ 112.05.01 00:35:59 ] Gorn Manaan > (( catching my drift ? ))ž

[ 112.05.01 00:36:50 ] Gorn Manaan > (( that's pure discriminations ))

[ 112.05.01 00:36:52 ] Arthur Black > (( Not really. I told you up front in the very first conversation we had that there would be questions about your recruitment policies. And the best thing to do would be to prepare a plan in advance, or at least tackle the problem. ))

[ 112.05.01 00:37:16 ] Johan Marberg > And blocked.

[ 112.05.01 00:37:17 ] Arthur Black > (( If they say they are a RP corp, we tend to believe they are a RP corp. It will be kind of obvious if they aren't. ))

[ 112.05.01 00:39:51 ] Gorn Manaan > (( you tend to belive ..... ))

[ 112.05.01 00:40:06 ] Gorn Manaan > (( a RP-ing par excellance ))

[ 112.05.01 00:40:31 ] Gorn Manaan > (( Yes, but you're making a discrimination; you're prefering corps which have multiple members and you're not even sure if ALL of them are RP-ers. ))

[ 112.05.01 00:41:55 ] Gorn Manaan > (( on the other hand, you're rejecting the corps / members which are commited to the cause an you're doing that with no guilt or remortse))

[ 112.05.01 00:42:05 ] Gorn Manaan > remorse *

[ 112.05.01 00:42:16 ] Arthur Black > (( No. We have small corporations as well. Just not one-man corporations. Take the corps I am in for instance. We're currently 12 members. Hardly what you would call big. ))

[ 112.05.01 00:43:03 ] Gorn Manaan > (( yes. but actally you're a 3 man corp ))

[ 112.05.01 00:43:42 ] Gorn Manaan > (( so what's your point )))

[ 112.05.01 00:44:00 ] Altaen > ((Can we please not carry on entire OOC conversation in an IC channel? I'd rather not have to use the block feature))

[ 112.05.01 00:44:05 ] Arthur Black > (( Also, speaking of obvious if it's not a RP corp, you repeatedly broke character both in your application and in this channel. No need to check further. ))

[ 112.05.01 00:44:38 ] Maelcom Grey > This level of conspiracy demands full disclosure.

[ 112.05.01 00:46:24 ] Evanda Char > Gorn, you weren't rejected for being a one man corp. You were told it was unlikelywe would take you as a one man corp

[ 112.05.01 00:46:35 ] Evanda Char > You were rejected for being an arrogant jerk

[ 112.05.01 00:46:44 ] EVE System > Gorn Manaan was kicked from the channel by Evanda Char. Effective until 112.05.01 01:16:44, Reason: "Get a job".

[ 112.05.01 00:46:49 ] Evanda Char > [00:46:44] EVE System > Gorn Manaan was kicked from the channel by Evanda Char. Effective until 112.05.01 01:16:44, Reason: "Get a job".

[ 112.05.01 00:47:19 ] Maelcom Grey > Hahaha.

[ 112.05.01 00:47:27 ] * Evanda Char lights a cigarette

[ 112.05.01 00:47:33 ] Evanda Char > Man, that felt good

[ 112.05.01 00:47:58 ] Ghost Hunter > I was becoming ... curious, or concerned, I cannot decide which.

[ 112.05.01 00:48:22 ] Arthur Black > Apologies to all for that little scene. Feel free to contact me (( IC or OOC )) if you want to continue that discussion. As you've probably guessed, he and his corporation was not accepted into the alliance.

[ 112.05.01 00:48:27 ] Maelcom Grey > That guy was giving me a rash, and he wasn't even talking to me.

[ 112.05.01 00:48:38 ] Evanda Char > Some spy trying to get into the alliance with the old "flood of one-man corps" routine

[ 112.05.01 00:50:15 ] * Evanda Char polishes her nails on the front of her flight suit and blows on them. "Fastest kick button in the West."

[ 112.05.01 00:51:27 ] * Maelcom Grey thinks he's in love.

(( Thread locked for OP being an ooc ass and going OOC in an IC thread despite repeated requests not to do so. ))

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