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Hi

I'll start the OOC discussion thread too.

I am that much young player in EM that I wasn't there in the first time GRD was part of EM so I haven't had the luck to play with you guys yet. But what I have understood is that EM has changed a lot since those years as immersive role playing environment and that really is our core thing these days. Of course inside EM diffeent corporations have lot of variaty too, but al the alliance level activity is done IC.

What is your stance to roleplay and how do you feel that all the alliance activity is IC?

(2011-03-01 07:27)Carinelle Avriette Wrote: [ -> ]What is your stance to roleplay and how do you feel that all the alliance activity is IC?

First of all, several of LGM are old hardcore roleplayers. On my part not in EVE but from board based games such as MERP, Rolemaster, Spacemaster etc.

Generally speaking, LGMers could definately respect the RP rules of IC communications in forums and EM chats, even if some LGM members might not be 100% RP. We would adhere to EM ally program rules.

Once again from my personal pov, an RP component on EVE could add a new dimension to the game, so yes - definately!

Some more OOC questions:

* IC is the way EM handles alliance communication. What is the general approach to RP within the other member corps in EM? Are all "hardcore RP" or are there some more "laid back" corps as well (apart from the alliance IC)?

* Is it accepted if LGM is IC RP in alliance, but not RP at all within the corp (I guess so?)

* Are there any obligations that LGM has to live up to? LGM will of course be loyal to the alliance if joining, but we would like some kind of "general outline" of the obligations put on member corps.

* Wardecs? I suppose the alliance sticks together here, but how frequent are they and are there any wars ongoing right now?

* Base of operations. Currently LGM works from highsec in Sinq-Laison. What about the other EM corps, are EM alliance corps fairly grouped together? Lowsec? Null? Could LGM continue be based in highsec or would we be required to move "all in" to lowsec or eq.?

Quote:* IC is the way EM handles alliance communication. What is the general approach to RP within the other member corps in EM? Are all "hardcore RP" or are there some more "laid back" corps as well (apart from the alliance IC)?

There are more hard-core and less hard-core RP corps within the alliance, but alliance comms are, by default, IC. I think that if you're not happy doing a lot of your socialising in character, then this might not be the right alliance.

Quote:* Is it accepted if LGM is IC RP in alliance, but not RP at all within the corp (I guess so?)

There are corps in EM that I think are like this at the moment, though this might count against your application, since there is a worry that importing more RP-lite people will dilute the immersive RP that we have further. In my view (by no means the only one) it is more important for us to keep an immersive RP alliance than to add more pilots to our fleets. There is nowhere else for us to go. RP-lite can be found in other places.

Quote:* Are there any obligations that LGM has to live up to? LGM will of course be loyal to the alliance if joining, but we would like some kind of "general outline" of the obligations put on member corps.

Some of this could be IC [1]
As an alliance, we defend and strengthen the republic we are loyal to. OOC? I think your obligations are to RP, to try to RP people who would be loyal to the republic, in such a way as to not break other people's RP. That would include asking your pilots to not talk about the superbowl or Real Life politics in the Alliance channel (we do have OOC channels as well, so it's not like you can't vent if you need to)

RP has consequences. If you want to be Sansha supporters, or to RP homicidal maniacs out of control, that's fine, but other people might RP people who want to kick you out of the alliance. I might be one of them.

We'd like there to be no hard feelings OOC at the end of the day, so if RP is getting you down OOC, please talk about it OOC and let people know. We're not usually trying to annoy you OOC on purpose.

Quote:* Wardecs? I suppose the alliance sticks together here, but how frequent are they and are there any wars ongoing right now?

TCBIC too. Yes. We war dec people. Usually pirates, but also Ammarian corps who are being active in the war zone when we want to support the militia. I'd say that in an average 6 month period we might have active wars half the time, though it might be lumps of several weeks or a month at a time.

We also have an ongoing mutual war with PIE, but that just means that we shoot each other when we see each other, it doesn't seem to be all that hot as wars go.

Quote:* Base of operations. Currently LGM works from highsec in Sinq-Laison. What about the other EM corps, are EM alliance corps fairly grouped together? Lowsec? Null? Could LGM continue be based in highsec or would we be required to move "all in" to lowsec or eq.?

TCBIC.

The corporations of EM are spread around the republic, and indeed, some corps have members with bases spread around the republic. Some bases are in highsec, some in lowsec.

You're not required to move anywhere in particular, but OOC, if you're not, in general, living in the republic, then I'm not sure why you'd want to be part of Electus Matari.

Does that help? Please note that some of those answers might be different in character


[1] TCBIC is a friendly way of saying "This could be in Character" and not intended as a put down. It's a request to try to discuss things that could be IC, in character as much as possible.

I suspect G0rF will be a very happy bunny indeed when he gets this news.

I can't recall ever having had a bad experience with LGM and it's people. I think they'd be an asset.

And as to their RP credentials. If memory serves correctly one of their old pilots Mordenkainan, who is currently in RE-AW, was one of Eva's suitors back in the day. Yes, they can roleplay and do so well.

(2011-03-01 23:47)Arnulf Ogunkoya Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, they can roleplay and do so well.

I do not think that there is any question on the ability to roleplay.

The question is about interest. And that question is not whether LGM are "good people" or "bad people", but whether we all - LGM and EM - will benefit from them in the alliance.

What's your reaction if you start to chat about something on OOC_EM, and someone goes "tcbic!" - is your reaction, in general, "oh, damn, sorry, let me go IC with this, got carried away a bit!" or is it "ugh, why would I have to"?

If it is the latter, you will just make everyone more unhappy EM: The people who already play in the alliance because you actively take away from their enjoyment of the game as well as yourself, because you try to fit into a group where you do not fit.

The questions here are attempts to make sure that LGM know that RP is, indeed, very central to EM. We are roleplayers first, everything else second. You don't need to RP all the time, you don't need to RP in corp chat (though I have no idea why you wouldn't). But if you do not enjoy RP and want to RP, EM is the wrong alliance for you.

"Well, we can RP a bit on alliance chat if you totally insist" is not going to make you happy here.

(2011-03-01 23:47)Arnulf Ogunkoya Wrote: [ -> ]If memory serves correctly one of their old pilots Mordenkainan, who is currently in RE-AW, was one of Eva's suitors back in the day. Yes, they can roleplay and do so well.

Oh indeed Mordenkainan has done such an awesome job of playing an arrogant ass (and props to him for playing someone so fundamentally difficult to like) that Johan has him blocked already.

(2011-03-02 00:04)Arkady Sadik Wrote: [ -> ]

(2011-03-01 23:47)Arnulf Ogunkoya Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, they can roleplay and do so well.

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"Well, we can RP a bit on alliance chat if you totally insist" is not going to make you happy here.

As EM say in your Ally Rules:

Quote:(( We're a roleplaying (RP) alliance. Respect this on our channels, including fleet chat. You don't have to RP, but please keep clearly out-of-game stuff out of the channels. ))

Honestly speaking, I sense that there might be differences in interpretation of this requirement within your alliance?

If we should join up in the end, all LGMers would have to adhere to your requirement above - otherwise we as a corp could not join of course! That I think would be possible! We can respect RP in alliance coms and keep OOC-stuff out of those channels not to ruin others RP immersion.

But having all LGM members RPing also in our corp....I really don't think that is an option, that is not how LGM works atm! We are not a RP corp and our members didn't join LGM for RPing. We all joined because it's one hell of a nice bunch of peeps ;-)

And as you say - we will really not be happy in EM in that case! And those of you in EM that are really hard core RP peeps - you would not be happy with LGM either of course.

So this question I have to take back to LGM corpies, and as previously stated RP is not the main driving force for considering joining another alliance, not at all.

We want to have the possibility to fight pirates together with others from an alliance, for those LGM mebers that want to PvP more and do it for a good cause. We also as a corp need a larger "critical mass" to enable doing stuff like C4 WHs OPs, Incursion Ops, PvP ops etc.

So I guess atm the scale leans more towards not joining EM if hardcore RP is "requirered" by all members in alliance corps aswell...

Our ally rules regarding RP are because we don't think we can expect people who aren't in EM to play by our rules and still have many people to fly with. We're trying to be practical here. I would expect more than that from Em member corps.

Hardcore RP is not "required" by all members in alliance corps, but I don't want LGM to show up, and have your corp-mates feel like it's a burden to talk in alliance channels. Does that make sense?

What do you mean by hardcore RP being required? I guess if you view RP as being required as being hardcore than yeah, that might be an issue.

There are plenty of people in the alliance who are 'something else' before being 'RP'. But those people (and those of you in LGM who are this way, if you join) have to realize that EM (the alliance) is RP first. That is what drives the personal politics and actions of the alliance.

And has been stated, as 'RP' is a fundamental part of the enjoyment for many of EM if some members choose to mostly 'opt out' they can, but will be missing the essence of being in EM. I expect that most corporations in EM have members who mostly 'opt out'. In my opinion this is fine, EM is a great alliance to be in regardless and it is their loss. But even members who 'opt out' will still have their interactions with the alliance be through RP (for the most part).

If LGM for the most part want to 'opt out', than likely EM isn't the place for you.

But back to the 'hardcore RP' bit. 'hardcore RP' in EM doesn't mean going to bars or rituals or having romances or an elaborate back story and definitely not speaking in 'thee and thou' language, although (except the 'thee and thou') it can help. RP in EM does mean behaving as if your character has motivations (which is pretty easy to do), and being your character in Alliance chat, local, and the forums (and other places where people RP). This is all very easy and natural to do, and quite enjoyable.

As long as your attitude isn't that doing this is 'hardcore RP' and some sort of chore, then I don't think anyone cares if you RP in corp chat or not (although if you don't, I think many of us would think you were missing out). Some of this is a matter of taste though and pretty much all people need some OOCness. The reason why we RP afterall is to be social and have a good time (so that is part of RL>all which is also a rule in EM).

For what RP means (especially in EM), Arkady has written something you should read which is far better than anything I would write: http://www.electusmatari.com/forums/show...p?tid=3837 . I think this should be required reading by any group who is interested in joining EM.

And Taizu also remembers Mordenkainan as a significant character (which is a sign of a good RPer, I think), but he is back in ReAw now.

JM
(Speaking just as ReAw here, we have rituals and romances and bars and elaborate back stories and our corp chat is IC. But we also have an OOC channel where a lot of player interaction takes place. I think that this is really important in general too... but that is ReAw. Personally I think if you have an active character then I don't care if you want to talk about missions/etc OOCly. If you don't have an active character, than I would want to talk about missions/etc ICly because I would be missing IC interaction. Others think that if it can be IC it should be.)